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eric | 0 posts | Member since 03.10.08


RE: None of the Above: The Only Vote Worth Casting in November?
Angelo, I think you're unjustified on several points. First, we ought not view elections as a system of punishment/reward for our represtentatives. If they represent your values and political interests well, vote for them, otherwise don't. But punishment and reward is a foolish motive. Second, how can you blame the President -- ANY president -- for "mortgage delinquencies and foreclosures at record levels, dangerously high levels of household credit card debt?" These are all the result of individuals behaving unwisely. I would like to hear you explain what the president might do, given his constitutional job description, to prevent individuals from incurring bad debt. Finally, you are totally unjustified in calling the administration's stance on immigration "un-Catholic." This is patently false, and it implies that those who hold similar positions are either not catholic, or are set in opposition to the magisterium.

RE: None of the Above: The Only Vote Worth Casting in November?
Hi Angelo, I would be interested in your reply to this statement: Christ came calling us to love our neighbor -- personally and individually. He did not come calling governments to set up institutions to love its people.

RE: None of the Above: The Only Vote Worth Casting in November?
Angelo, Your citations of JPII and St. Thomas are in no way in dispute. Where we disagree is not in the realm of Christian faith or doctrine, but how the ideal Christian society is to be realized in practice. At the heart is that you believe the government is the primary vehicle for realization, whereas those of my ilk believe that individuals and private groups (parishes, charities, etc.) are the better primary vehicle, with government playing a lesser role. We should not believe that our political positions are the only ones allowable by Christian faith.

RE: None of the Above: The Only Vote Worth Casting in November?
Thanks Bill, What I am trying to say is that we have a fundamental disagreement on the role of government in a Christian society. My point is not that government is somehow exempt from the Gospel, but that its specific responsibilities are not dictated by the Gospel. Thus, social welfare programs are not necessarily mandated by church teaching. For example, I believe that the poor are better served by those of us around them who take responsibility for them, rather than by a government program. Maybe my political opinion is wrong, but it does not mean that I am in opposition to church teaching. I simply have a different opinion as to how to realize that teaching. That brings me back to the point above. We need to be mindful that on most political subjects (life issues being a notable exception), we have wide latitude in political positions. This is because the concept of prudence enters in. What may seem prudent to you, given your understanding of socio-political circumstances, may not seem prudent to me, given mine. The point is that these are inherently political issues, not dogmatic issues, so we should not be claiming that our political position is the only position that Christianity allows.

RE: God, Government and Freedom—A Response to 'None of the Above'
I think the following article would be of interest on the subject of subsidiarity: http://www.acton.org/publications/randl/rl_article_200.php

RE: What the Presidential Election Reveals About the American Soul
Hi Liberty_student37, I'm glad you have found a place in the church. I think that's the beauty of the diversity and depth of Catholic spirituality. It does not offer just a single, one-size-fits-all spirituality. But I lack perspective. Would you be willing to share what it is that causes you to doubt that you would still be catholic. I ask solely out of a sincere desire to understand. You can send me a message directly if you'd prefer. Sincerely, Eric

RE: After the Pope: Time to Hit the Books?
I enjoyed this post. Do you think it is fair to say that the media's imagined transformation is an implicit assertion that the guarding of orthodoxy is unseemly and oppressive, if not an outright evil?

RE: Libertarian Heresy
Please, heresy? For far too long the socialists have posited that their perverted interpretation of catholic social teaching is the only proper understanding. The holier-than-thou attitude only makes it worse. The social welfare state IS NOT compatible with catholic social teaching. Period. So please stop accusing those who disagree with your politics as being somehow heretical or un-Christian.

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