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RE: Why Prop 8 Won: TV Commercials Based on Reason, not Fear
Quick comment from Canada (whom Jon Stewart called "our gay neighbor to the north"). Rightdemocrat, you hit the nail on the head - gay advocacy has become downright bullying. I liked this advert but the narrator is a bit cap-in-hand, almost apologetic for having his own opinion. I wish he also said that gay activists need to chillax and that tolerance isn't one-sided, i.e. "grow up". You can't have everything 100% your way - that's life, that's compromise, that's tolerance. Was it Emerson who wrote "the mark of a free mind is the ability to make distinctions"? Gay-rights advocates have lost their intellectual freedom and, it appears, want to take it from others (Angelo, I loved your Flannery O'Connor mention). I know Americans hold their "right to liberty" very dear. It gives one living in a country that ratified same-sex marriage pause. I really admire the balanced way you're holding your ground on this. God bless America.


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
To Dsconi and Chassup: Even though I disagree with your politics, I truly admire and respect that you're teaching your students solid doctrine. God bless you for that. To Jmedaille: Would YOU consider running for President? Please take Harold Fickett for your running mate.


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
Excellent points again JM (the last one unsettling but true). I just want to say how insightful I found your posts (and many others here) and look forward to reading more. I'm new to Godspy - just came across it a few weeks ago. When I saw a solidly Catholic website featuring a Woody Allen/Sarah Palin mash-up, I thought "where in the world has this been?" I'm introducing it to as many friends and family (who are legion, 10 siblings) as I can. Actually, that's a bit misleading - I was surprised when many said "oh sure, I know Godspy, it's great". When I'd ask why they hadn't told me about it, the most common response was "well actually, dingbat, I've mentioned it several times". Hmmmm. Anywho, so glad I found it.


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
Our disagreement? The answer is contained in your question - you consider the Republican party "pro-life", I don't.


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
Actually Dsconi, I don't think the Democratic party is pro-life either; I never wrote that. I'm just getting to know this website and, from what I've read, I didn't see any of the editors or contributors supporting the Dems either. If I recall correctly, Angelo was going to write Alasdair MacIntyre on his ballot. Just because someone can't stomach the GOP's war mongering, torture tactics, greed and corruption doesn't mean they think the current Democratic Party is supportable. Wasn't the whole point of Angelo's article a hopeful consideration of what that party could be? Is it possible that you put too much faith in politicians? Please re-read JMedaille's posts, especially his last one about realistic expectations re: your government. I think if you can teach your confirmation/public school students to truly respect life, you'll have done more than any politician can.


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
Right again JM - politics isn't the answer for an end to abortion; in fact, as seen here, it makes matters worse and divides pro-lifers among themselves. It reminds me of your original post: "The abortion issue has been the devil’s greatest triumph: on the one hand, he gets one group of people to support a philosophy of the slaughter of the innocents, and on the other, he uses it as wedge to get people to vote for war, economic oppression, torture, debt, and a host of other evils. Either way, the devil wins; he has bets on both sides and collects on both ends." It reminds me of another quote, from C.S. Lewis's "Screwtape Letters". Screwtape is a senior devil advising Wormwood, his understudy: "(When) meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours."


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
Ha! Well Chassup, at least we agree it's a good quote. Look though, this repeated reference to "the womb", how to control it, how to tactically infiltrate it - there's something so off about that. These wombs are part of women who are unfortunately growing up in what's aptly been called "the porn generation". There's a lot of baggage there, a lot of anguish and confusion. The current culture has a vision/disrespect of women that's nearly as oppressive as the Taliban. There's too much focus on statistics, the defense of sociopathic politicians, binary partisan arguments - it's all a bunch of static after a while. When you try to defend the indefensible, i.e. war, torture, unjust imprisonment, you know the litany, in your party, you make many Christians mentally allergic to the subject of abortion. Can you not see that?


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
"but the argument of proportionality is crystal clear" - I have to admit Chassup, this is not crystal clear to me at all. What is crystal clear is that we'll never agree and that's okay. Have a good weekend!


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
I really liked your post ZoroZero, especially the words "in all things: charity" and your reminder of what we have in common.


RE: After Obama: Why Catholics should open a ‘second front’ in the Democratic Party
I'm Canadian and couldn't vote in this election but was particularly interested because my husband is American. The more I investigate, the more convinced I am that something truly malignant has infected the American pro-life movement. You'll never convince me that the nastiness I've observed toward anyone who questioned the GOP's "respect for life" had the Holy Spirit behind it. To be fair, I know the belligerent minority is not the whole. What's heartbreaking is how many good people and holy priests have been pulled into this divisive, deceptive quagmire. One consolation is that their prayers will be heard. That, at the end of the day, is what will end the tragedy of abortion. Anger and snide righteousness never, ever, ever transform hearts and minds but I've seen kindness work miracles. JM, Godspeed - I really hope your dream can be realized and that respect for life and family can have "a seat at the table" in what was once an essentially Catholic party. What have you got to lose trying? I've certainly come across myriad pro-life voters who feel homeless. If the threads are active, I'll definitely direct them to the Democrats for Life site. PS: Not sure what the exchange rate is but I'm just giving my two bits, not trying to restart the discussion.


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